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Can I bake fish & meat in an oven at the same time?
- What is the status of raicha, aroma with respect to meat & fish?
- The Rama writes (YD 116:2) that we treat meat & fish exactly like kosher & non-Kosher:
Bedieved, after the fact, once the baking took place, the foods can be consumed because
aroma is insignificant, but lichatchila, before the fact, fish & meat should not be baked
together in one oven. - On the other hand the Shach 116:1 quotes the Be-er Sheva who maintans that fish
& meat are treated more stringently since we are dealing with a situation of sakana -
danger. - Aroma poses a danger even bedieved, & one may not eat meat & fish that were baked
together. - Common practice is to follow the lenient view of the Rama (Aruch HaShulcan YD 116:10).
- It is noteworthy that if either the meat or fish are covered while they are baking, there is
no problem of reicha & this may be done lichatchila (YD 108:1)
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I baked bread in my oven at the same time as I was baking meat.
Can this bread be eaten with fish?
- At first glance, one might think that this should not be allowed.
- Just as one is not permitted to serve this bread with dairy, perhaps one should not be
permitted to serve this bread with fish. - However, the Taz (YD 116:2) writes that this is permitted.
- Why can one eat this bread with fish & not with dairy?
It would seem that the difference is as follows.
1. A meat aroma has some significance, but it is botel (nullified) in the bread.
2. Nonetheless, we do not rely on nullification for purposes of kashrus if it can be avoided
(ein mevatlin issur lechatchila).
3. We would not allow eating the bread with milk, because we cannot justify this without
bitul.
4. However, we can rely on bitul to eat fish with bread that has a meat aroma, because the concern is sakana (danger) & kosher restrictions are not involved.
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I baked bread in my oven at the same time as I was baking meat.
Can the bread be eaten at all? Can it be eaten with dairy?
- The Gemara (Pesachim 30a) teaches us that one is not permitted to bake fleishig bread,
out of concern that one might accidentally eat it with dairy. - For similar reasons of confusion, one may not bake dairy bread.
- If one did bake fleishig bread, it may not be eaten even with pareve or meat foods.
- However, in the case of our original question, the bread did not touch the meat.
- The only issue is that the bread absorbed the meat’s aroma (reicha).
- We have seen in the previous halacha that after the fact, we view this aroma as an
Intangible & it is nullified in the bread. - Therefore, the bread does not become forbidden & may be eaten with meat.
- However, the Rama (YD 108:1) writes that nonetheless it is preferable not to eat this
bread with dairy because it is preferable not to rely on the nullification of the meat aroma. However, if one has no other bread available, Rama writesthat this bread may be served
with dairy.
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I barbecued kosher fish & kosher meat on separate racks
on a grill at the same time.
May the food be eaten?
- In a previous halacha we have seen that one may not roast kosher & non-kosher meat in
an oven at the same time, because of the concern that the reicha (aroma) from one food
would spread to the next. - However, if this was already done then the food may be eaten.
- Since mixing fish & meat is a matter of sakana (danger), is it prohibited to consume the
fish & the meat?
1. This is a matter of dispute between the Rama & the Shach.
2. The Rama (Shulchan Aruch YD 116:2) rules that although this should not have been
done, bedieved (after the fact)the aroma of fish would not affect the meat.
3. The Aruch Hashulchan (YD 116:10) writes that the halacha follows the lenient position
of the Rama.
4. The Shach (YD116:1) however rules that, because this is a matter of sakana, we are
stricter than with non-kosher & therefore the fish & meat may not be eaten. - Our discussion relates to dry fish or meat.
1. If the fish or meat contains liquid, there is an issue of zeiya (steam) & there may be a concern even bedieved if baked together.
2. It is noteworthy that if either the meat or fish are covered while they are baking, there is
no problem of reicha & this may be done lichatchila (YD 108:1).
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I have a utensil that requires immediate kashering.
I cannot wait 24 hours.
Is there any way that this can be permitted?
- If one kashers a utensil with libun gamur (total burning – until all parts of it glow red),
there is no need to wait 24 hours. - However, this method is often impractical & there is another option.
- Poskim write that whenever a utensil only requires hagalah, it can instead be kashered with 'libun kal' (light burning).
- This is performed by heating the inside of a utensil with a fire or burning coal until the back
side of the utensil is hot enough to burn one’s hand. - This is tested by singeing straw.
- There is a disagreement among poskim as to how libun kal works.
1. The Pri Migadim (Mishbetzos Zahav 452:4) writes that it expels the issur from
the utensil.
2. Accordingly, it is questionable if one can kasher with libun kal without first waiting 24 hours. - However, the Shulchan Aruch Harav (451:10) writes that libun kal consumes the absorbed
flavor so according to the Shulchan Harav, one can kasher with libun kal without waiting
24 hours. - Rav Schachter, Shlita ruled in accordance with the Shulchan Aruch Harav & if one kashers
with libun kal, there is no requirement to wait 24 hours.
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